@evan #Capitalism will never solve #ClimateChange. Doing so would be putting something other than profit ahead of the primary drive, which is an antithesis to capitalism.
@jonn @evan Nothing is infinite on an open system.
And unbounded profits require infinite growth, which is why #capitalism will never solve #ClimateChange. infinite growth is inherently unsustainable.
@ubergeek @evan I mean, I didn't say "infinite", I said "unbounded". Also, no. Unbounded over time doesn't require growth even under market pressure.
The only thing that requires infinite growth is the board bulshitry to hike derivatives. Derivatives aren't intrinsic to capitalism.
That said, our version of capitalism is collapsing together with the planet. Gonna be even shittier over time. )
I agree with you to an extent, but #commie #bastards have fucked up my country and we have barely recovered by now. You seem to overgeneralise a bit like a commie, so I hope you'll understand my tone. I hope you aren't one.
@jonn @evan the USSR was a state capitalist country.
Classes, money, and the state were never even close to being abolished, and instead class divisions we're strengthened and further stratified.
Fwiw, I'm not a communist, I'm an anarchist, but nevertheless accuracy of terms are required in discussion, which is why I asked for a clarification.
@ubergeek @evan is "anarchosplaining" a term yet? 
I'm also an anarchist, when it comes to small societies. But remember that we have no evidence whatsoever that it scales. If anything, we have evidence that it is intrinsically incapable of scaling. All thanks to the fact that people prefer convenience and benefiting from centralised systems in everything, including logistics.
Anyway, it's good that you're not a commie.
Let's get back to the point:
1. I didn't say "infinite", I said "unbounded"
2. Unbounded over time doesn't require growth even under market pressure.
@ubergeek not sure you're trolling tbh. Is "unbounded score" the same as "infinite score"?
Unbounded profits are only possible under sustainability.
Idk, you told me to read about Makhno, I suggest you read any system theory textbook that's published in 1994 or later.
If textbooks aren't your thing, there's an alright survey book, let me fetch its name. (Sorry for a centralised link to a book review website in advance. It's more convenient to use it because the review signal is stronger 
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@jonn if there is no upper bound, what is the possible maximum?
That is, by definition, infinite growth.
Unbounded growth is not possible in a finite system.
@jonn @evan what country is this "communist country?"
Because "communist country" is an oxymoron.