@jonn I have transitioned quite fast but I was hygely surprised when it went absent from my system since I treated it almost as part of POSIX, anyway I see some aux tooling scripts that depends on it all the time

@chodzikman I knew I shouldn't. But I spent so much time with ifconfig, route and, later, wpa-supplicant as a kid and teenager, I kinda feel as scared of learning new tools as I was of those.

@jonn yeah same here with Ubuntu 5.10 or something but with Arch (btw) I learned not to stay behind to avoid awful fate 🥵

@chodzikman haha, with arch I learned that arch sucks. let's be real, the only reason we were using it was because of AUR. With nix, you don't need AUR. :)

@jonn not yet in my nix chapter - I feel like I became immune for the plot twists after ~10yrs of using Arch, not being aware of it, but recently I advised to use it to few of my friends and it went awkward
... I guess I need to be in a situation where I create a reference setup in a lazy greenfield project to hop into the nixos hypetrain...

@chodzikman oh no, no for me. They still can't figure out whether or not to have functionality on by default or not. Even in absence of any good arguments for not including them. It's just a mess and "steering" feels like a mess too.

Honestly, if someone will make a typed that's backwards compatible with nixpkgs and flakes, I'm gonna be a happy customer of *that*.

That said, I'm only talking about itself and . Specifically, nix with flakes.

@jonn @chodzikman but does that actually matter? I can change that setting with the blink of an eye for all machines I manage.

That could be Nickel.

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