@jonn sorry what ?
@julienmalka you have to cast protest vote against Le Pen. 🤷
It's not like people were like "yeah, de Gaule is the people's candidate". He was just a guy ready to stand against collaborationism with dictators, which, in modern France Le Pen represents.
I think that Macron has clearly demonstrated that when the war starts, he and his government will fight for the country.
Hence the parallel I draw between modern history of France and the current interesting situation.
@julienmalka tl;dr -- when the war is looming, comfort-policy don't matter.
Vote for those who will make sure you retain freedom.
Voting for the left coalition makes more sense as they only have the political force to stand against the far-right.
It is also the only way to ensure Macron is not going to do an alliance with the far right to continue governing France, as he already did several time during this term to pass anti-immigration laws.
@julienmalka oh shit, so like how do I fix the meme?! I honestly am worried about a simple thing: being on the opposing sides with Hungary, Slovakia and now France during wolrd war 3 haha.
@julienmalka basically the point I'm trying to make with the meme is that de Gaulle wasn't some sort of super-popular person who was making popular decisions, he was a person who stood up for France when France was struck down by nazis.
Similar thing is getting slow-rolled now across Europe and it can well be a repeat of a dictator who switched their country to war-time economy is attacking an underprepared Europe encouraged by American isolationism.
@jonn In that case the meme is not really fixable I think. We are voting not for one person but for one candidate per « region ». Fortunately, most of the parties withdrew their candidates so that there is only the one candidate that is the most likely to win against the far-right + the far right. So actually in function of where they live french must vote either for Macron or one of the left candidates to avoid their local far-right candidate to win.
@jonn The most likely scenario is that there is 3 distinct political forces at the National Assembly:
- The far-right with the biggest force
- The leftist coalition with a large force but marginally less than the far-right
- Macron, with not much left, squeezed between those 2 forces
With neither of these 3 groups able to get a majority to pass any law alone, and well alliance being complicated
@julienmalka so basically what you're saying is that the only chance for the meme is
@jonn better yes :p
@jonn and if you really like references to France's darkest hours here is a video of an orchestra singing a renewed version of a video mocking Pétain in front of the headquarters of the far-right party: https://youtu.be/yCC16KD9zWQ?si=8ipsL56CjJbjVo1q
@julienmalka I honestly don't "like" anything about it. My heart aches both for the people of France who had to live under harsh occupation (just like us in Latvia), and for the fuck-up near Sedane which made the occupation a grim reality, and for the resistance fighters who got treated poorly during D-Day (because of stupid assumptions by the foreign infrantry that all the French are collaborationists), for carpet bombings which were conducted prior to and during D-Day...
Thinking of it makes me cry, literally. So I would really like for this not to repeat and... idk how dramatic you think I am, but I am convinced that Le Pen is not acting in the best interests of **independent France**, whereas Macron (at least in the way that we perceive him) would not joke around when it comes to threat assessment.
After #Trump wins in the #USA, security situation in #Europe shall degrade even further and we really don't need Le Pens, Ficos and Orbans running rampant, sabotaging our union that was built in such a difficult labour to live in peace and prosperity.
@julienmalka I know how these elections work (which is the same as those here in the #UK and completely different from the way it's handled in #Latvia and #NewZealand, where we vote for global parties and local reps).
I didn't know that the left didn't scoop to Macron though...
@julienmalka and conversely based on you saying that Macron's force shall be 3rd, I thought that the united left will get through universally haha. "Not that simple" after all.
@jonn From Macron's own words "The left coalition is at least as dangerous as the far-right"
@jonn
Finally you have to understand that the rise of the far-right has been facilitated or even worse engineered by Macron in an attempt to be always presented as « the last wall against fascism » and easily win elections, by systematically destroying and diabolising leftist forces in France and on the opposite side allowing far-right ideas to enter in the public debate, even passing some of them as law.
@julienmalka haha, this ruse is working really well because that's how foreigners perceive Macron!
@jonn IMHO your analysis is wrong on several aspects:
- If you care about foreign policy, war in europe, etc, this business is handled by the president, it’s in our constitution. So for this kind of matter this weekend’s election will have little impact;
- If you care about France not being ruled by a fascist government, you indeed have to vote against Le Pen. But Macron is about to become the 3rd political force in France.